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    Default Microsoft Office and Microsoft Visual Basic = Low-tech hack

    All I can say is WTF.....



    The French software developer turned rogue trader who cost French bank Société Générale an estimated €4.9bn ($7.2bn) used co-workers' access codes to set up fraudulent transactions.

    Jerome Kerviel used his colleagues' access codes and sent fraudulent email in order to create fictitious accounts to take risky positions in the derivatives market, resulting in huge losses as stock markets across Europe fell. He used his five years' experience in helping to develop the bank's trading systems to remove limits on his personal trading positions, and faked customer accounts to balance the books.

    He also used hacking techniques to turn off warning systems that could have alerted his bank about anomalous trading patterns, The Daily Telegraph reports. This sounds complicated, but could have been as simple as manipulating the production of Excel spreadsheets that are used to provide trading updates to bosses, according to City experts.

    A copy of Kerviel's CV found circulating on the net - which lists Microsoft Office and Microsoft Visual Basic as his only IT-related skills - supports the theory that the rogue trader carried out a low-tech hack, Information Week adds.
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/30/socgen_hack/

    http://www.informationweek.com/share...leID=205918671

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...aud/article.do

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    I quote you: "WTF" and I concur ...

    ..I dont really want to get into this story, but I will say a few things. I don't believe for one second that this guy pulled this off. This amount of money being lost during a crucial time for USA and the entire economic state of the planet is to suspicious in my eyes. Personally I think this guy was a scape-goat, and if he did commit a crime I do not think it was as sever as this one. He has been setup and blackmailed, probably because the crime he did commit [behind closed doors] had a longer jail sentence than the crime he has been accused on; therefor he quietly agreed but had no choice anyway.

    Maybe its just that I am really paranoid about governments and that I have been stung in the past by sneaky people. I do however believe that a lot of crimes happen, and a lot of innocent people get jailed for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Denv View Post

    Maybe its just that I am really paranoid about governments and that I have been stung in the past by sneaky people. I do however believe that a lot of crimes happen, and a lot of innocent people get jailed for it.
    /sneaking in before Thorn gets here.

    The prisons are full of innocent people, just ask the prisoners, they'll tell you they're innocent.
    A third party security audit is the IT equivalent of a colonoscopy. It's long, intrusive, very uncomfortable, and when it's done, you'll have seen things you really didn't want to see, and you'll never forget that you've had one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by streaker69 View Post
    /sneaking in before Thorn gets here.

    The prisons are full of innocent people, just ask the prisoners, they'll tell you they're innocent.
    People do get jailed and thrown in prison for crimes they didn't commit. Look at how many people that have been released from prison 20 years later because of DNA testing. True, its not a lot of people,...but still. The justice system is not always just or correct. I went to jail one time for public intox. Wanna know how it happened? >>>To make a long story short.....

    I was in a club (my younger years) and drunk. My friend was the designated driver. He got pulled over for speeding and the officer arrested him for an outstanding previous ticket warrant..and then took me as well because I was "publicly intoxicated"!! I was like WTF is a Designated driver for then?? I wasn't PUBLICLY intoxicated. I was in the comfort of my friends PRIVATE car! Not walking down the street drunk and weaving off the sidewalk for Pete's sake! So if I'm drunk and take a cab I guess if a cop pulls him over I go to jail huh for public intox? Thats just ridiculous.

    Anyways, the charges got dropped. But still, I was jailed overnight for a "crime" I didn't commit. The justice system is not perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -=Xploitz=- View Post
    People do get jailed and thrown in prison for crimes they didn't commit. Look at how many people that have been released from prison 20 years later because of DNA testing. True, its not a lot of people,...but still. The justice system is not always just or correct. I went to jail one time for public intox. Wanna know how it happened? >>>To make a long story short.....

    I was in a club (my younger years) and drunk. My friend was the designated driver. He got pulled over for speeding and the officer arrested him for an outstanding previous ticket warrant..and then took me as well because I was "publicly intoxicated"!! I was like WTF is a Designated driver for then?? I wasn't PUBLICLY intoxicated. I was in the comfort of my friends PRIVATE car! Not walking down the street drunk and weaving off the sidewalk for Pete's sake! So if I'm drunk and take a cab I guess if a cop pulls him over I go to jail huh for public intox? Thats just ridiculous.

    Anyways, the charges got dropped. But still, I was jailed overnight for a "crime" I didn't commit. The justice system is not perfect.
    Technically, you were not sentenced to a crime, therefore you were not technically in jail. You were in a holding cell, until the arresting officer was told that he technically made a mistake and they couldn't actually charge you with a crime. So in this case, they corrected their mistake before another one was made. The officer was overzealous, many are. But over all it worked out better than it could have.

    I'm not saying that there aren't any innocent people in jail, it was more of a joke, you've heard about those, right, ever see Shawshenk Redemption?
    A third party security audit is the IT equivalent of a colonoscopy. It's long, intrusive, very uncomfortable, and when it's done, you'll have seen things you really didn't want to see, and you'll never forget that you've had one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by streaker69 View Post
    Technically, you were not sentenced to a crime, therefore you were not technically in jail. You were in a holding cell, until the arresting officer was told that he technically made a mistake and they couldn't actually charge you with a crime. So in this case, they corrected their mistake before another one was made. The officer was overzealous, many are. But over all it worked out better than it could have.

    I'm not saying that there aren't any innocent people in jail, it was more of a joke, you've heard about those, right, ever see Shawshenk Redemption?
    Sentenced no. But yea...I WAS IN JAIL. Fingerprinted, got a mugshot, the displeasure of sharing a room with another guy, had bunk beds, so yea to me this was jail.

    Could it had went worse?? Not to me, but...at least I got off. And in the end,... I suppose "Justice was served".

    Shawshank was a good movie, pity though he had to spend so many years behind bars for killing his wife and then having to tunnel out to get his freedom back.

    I'm sure there are some real life horror stories of some of those people unjustly accused and incarcerated. I understand that they can't always get the "right" bad guy that actually did the crime, but when you hear stories like that that are true, it really makes the penal system look flawed. It only takes 1 person to say it was you...guilty or not, you better get a good lawyer. Cause in most if not all cases its no longer innocent until proven guilty..its guilty until proven innocent. And I suppose that criminals getting off scott free ruined that and it played a major role in the way the penal system works nowadays. But enough about this. Were veering off topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -=Xploitz=- View Post
    Sentenced no. But yea...I WAS IN JAIL. Fingerprinted, got a mugshot, the displeasure of sharing a room with another guy, had bunk beds, so yea to me this was jail.

    Could it had went worse?? Not to me, but...at least I got off. And in the end,... I suppose "Justice was served".

    Shawshank was a good movie, pity though he had to spend so many years behind bars for killing his wife and then having to tunnel out to get his freedom back.

    I'm sure there are some real life horror stories of some of those people unjustly accused and incarcerated. I understand that they can't always get the "right" bad guy that actually did the crime, but when you hear stories like that that are true, it really makes the penal system look flawed. It only takes 1 person to say it was you...guilty or not, you better get a good lawyer. Cause in most if not all cases its no longer innocent until proven guilty..its guilty until proven innocent. And I suppose that criminals getting off scott free ruined that and it played a major role in the way the penal system works nowadays. But enough about this. Were veering off topic.
    I believe that you should be able to have your fingerprints and mugshot pulled since you were never officially charged with a crime. I could be wrong, but I think you can.
    A third party security audit is the IT equivalent of a colonoscopy. It's long, intrusive, very uncomfortable, and when it's done, you'll have seen things you really didn't want to see, and you'll never forget that you've had one.

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    EEhh,

    It was a long time ago. Its not really that important to me anymore. I'll let them have my fingerprints and mugshot if they really want them that bad. I don't ever plan on doing a crime so I'm not gonna sweat it. Thanks though streaker69 for the legal discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by streaker69 View Post
    I believe that you should be able to have your fingerprints and mugshot pulled since you were never officially charged with a crime. I could be wrong, but I think you can.
    Yeah, I think that's true as well. But then when you go in and ask for it back they might ask who you just murdered. I always knew sploits was a drunkard, now I have PROOF! 100% Proof! Wait, that's what Sploitz probably drinks anyway! 100% Proof!
    I felt like bending the bars back, and ripping out the window frames and eating them. yes, eating them! Leaping, leaping, leaping! Colonics for everyone! All right! You dumb*sses. I'm a mental patient. I'm *supposed* to act out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spankdidly View Post
    Yeah, I think that's true as well. But then when you go in and ask for it back they might ask who you just murdered. I always knew sploits was a drunkard, now I have PROOF! 100% Proof! Wait, that's what Sploitz probably drinks anyway! 100% Proof!

    Always a comedian!

    Me in my drinking phases....

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