View Poll Results: What would you use?

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  • KDE

    12 26.67%
  • GNOME

    9 20.00%
  • XFCE

    10 22.22%
  • IceWM

    1 2.22%
  • Fluxbox

    12 26.67%
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    Arrow Something lighter than KDE

    This one's gonna cause a flamewar, I know.

    I repeatedly hear comments from people (not overwhelming, but they're out there) about how BackTrack should drop KDE and go to GNOME. I'll say up front that I use GNOME on my desktop and think it's an excellent desktop environment; but I'm not quite sure what BackTrack needs GNOME for.

    Let's hit head on and look at the facts, rather than wave around our favorite DE flag.

    • KDE - Eats lots of disk space, memory, CPU. Nice looking desktop environment.
    • GNOME - Eats less disk space and CPU and RAM, but still a lot. Nice looking desktop environment.
    • XFCE4 - Eats surprisingly little CPU and RAM and disk. Nice desktop environment.
    • IceWM - Very tiny. Very minimal, but still a nice desktop environment.
    • Fluxbox - Very tiny. Kind of ugly, shocking compared to the rest. For nerds.


    Personally I'd like IceWM because it looks nice, it's tiny, etc, even still maintained! XFCE4 is also tiny (Xubuntu tacked onto Ubuntu is a 42 meg download, Kubuntu brings 192 megs), but it's not the less-than-a-meg program that IceWM is (about a hundred megs of RAM too, versus a few megs).

    GNOME and KDE I think are best left for environments like Ubuntu, for a desktop environment. The more space crud eats, the less space you have to pack useful tools onto the CD; it's a fact of life. XFCE kind of does this better, and then there's IceWM if you want to go full minimal.

    These are thoughts, and considerations. I'm not going to flamewar over KDE vs GNOME or insist someone get rid of the garbage on my screen; though, BackTrack 2 would have been way more tolerable without all the transparent menus (urgh). Lucky I can turn those off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluefoxicy View Post
    This one's gonna cause a flamewar, I know.

    I repeatedly hear comments from people (not overwhelming, but they're out there) about how BackTrack should drop KDE and go to GNOME. I'll say up front that I use GNOME on my desktop and think it's an excellent desktop environment; but I'm not quite sure what BackTrack needs GNOME for.

    Let's hit head on and look at the facts, rather than wave around our favorite DE flag.

    • KDE - Eats lots of disk space, memory, CPU. Nice looking desktop environment.
    • GNOME - Eats less disk space and CPU and RAM, but still a lot. Nice looking desktop environment.
    • XFCE4 - Eats surprisingly little CPU and RAM and disk. Nice desktop environment.
    • IceWM - Very tiny. Very minimal, but still a nice desktop environment.
    • Fluxbox - Very tiny. Kind of ugly, shocking compared to the rest. For nerds.


    Personally I'd like IceWM because it looks nice, it's tiny, etc, even still maintained! XFCE4 is also tiny (Xubuntu tacked onto Ubuntu is a 42 meg download, Kubuntu brings 192 megs), but it's not the less-than-a-meg program that IceWM is (about a hundred megs of RAM too, versus a few megs).

    GNOME and KDE I think are best left for environments like Ubuntu, for a desktop environment. The more space crud eats, the less space you have to pack useful tools onto the CD; it's a fact of life. XFCE kind of does this better, and then there's IceWM if you want to go full minimal.

    These are thoughts, and considerations. I'm not going to flamewar over KDE vs GNOME or insist someone get rid of the garbage on my screen; though, BackTrack 2 would have been way more tolerable without all the transparent menus (urgh). Lucky I can turn those off.
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    yes it's why there is flux with bt, and it's not only for nerds , i use flux every day, are you saying im a nerd ????
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    Quote Originally Posted by shamanvirtuel View Post
    yes it's why there is flux with bt, and it's not only for nerds , i use flux every day, are you saying im a nerd ????
    Uhh, yea! Pretty sure most of us are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shamanvirtuel View Post
    yes it's why there is flux with bt, and it's not only for nerds , i use flux every day, are you saying im a nerd ????
    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Uhh, yea! Pretty sure most of us are.
    And proud of it

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    extract from urban dictionnary :

    Nerd

    An 'individual', i.e. a person who does not conform to society's beliefs that all people should follow trends and do what their peers do. Often highly intelligent but socially rejected because of their obesssion with a given subject, usually computers. Unfortunately, nerds seem to have problems breeding, to the detriment of mankind as a whole.
    "Nerds are clearly superior to us in every way.. Let's worship them as our Gods"


    sorry but i don't feel a nerd....im too "intelligent" to fall in this this "mental trap"
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    Interesting replies!

    For the people that pointed out Flux is in BackTrack, I'd like to note two things.

    • The menus don't always work (not that you should care)
    • Adding another smaller window manager doesn't shrink the CD


    One of my points was on making the CD smaller and leaving more space for more tools. *shrug*

    And yes, Barry is probably right. We're talking about the desktop environment/window manager/whatever in a CD designed to help you break into computers (hopefully under contract to show people what's wrong with their networks). We are all nerds.

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    I'd much rather see Gnome as the default...But I've never liked KDE - the way it looks, feels, performs. Not to mention a lot of people are getting more used to Gnome as its the default WM for many distributions now, with KDE being an option or a spinoff (i.e. kubuntu).

    As far as limited room on a CD, is the world still not ready for live DVDs or bootable USBs being the requirement? Most people serious about using Backtrack are going to install it to the HDD anyway, and if not, I'm not sure there'd be a lot of cases where it's running on such old hardware that a tiny bootable CD is preferable (like a recovery disk of some sort).

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyaz View Post
    As far as limited room on a CD, is the world still not ready for live DVDs or bootable USBs being the requirement? Most people serious about using Backtrack are going to install it to the HDD anyway, and if not, I'm not sure there'd be a lot of cases where it's running on such old hardware that a tiny bootable CD is preferable (like a recovery disk of some sort).
    There has been mention of a DVD release for BackTrack...
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