# Thread: How to break a unix or windows password with john

1. and could someone not explain salted vs unsalted please?

thanks

2. Originally Posted by ZaTch
and could someone explain salted vs unsalted please?

thanks
Damn, are you someplace that google ain't?

Try doing it yourself next time.

3. What was the purpose of lying??

Trying to test us???... or make this way, or this person.... look "Godlike"??

4. If you interested in salted passwords read up about wpa encrypted wireless networks and the difference between wep and wpa.

Really quick can't be bothered to type answer is salting a password is encrypting the key.

5. Originally Posted by -=Xploitz=-
You sure its not...

[B][B][SIZE=+1][B](26^10) bytes = 131472.103 gigabytes
No I'm not sure, I didn't put much thought into it, I trusted some math from a previous thread which was based on someone else's math (silly thorin should know better).

If it was 10 characters with 2 choices that'd be 2^10 = 1024
0000000000 thru 1111111111

If it was 2 characters with 10 choices that'd be 10^2 = 100
00 thru 99

So ya I guess I was wrong

Edit: All fixed now. A full 8 character dictionary would be ~ 95^8 or 6,178,584.24 GB.

6. Originally Posted by thorin
Well if you had 10 characters with 2 choices each that'd be 10^2 = 100 or if you had 2 characters with 10 choices each that'd be 2^10 = 1024.
Ok,...so....

Why isn't it 26 choices with 10 characters...I.E...

26^10

7. Originally Posted by thorin
No I'm not sure, I didn't put much thought into it, I trusted math from a previous thread.

If it was 10 characters with 2 choices that'd be 2^10 = 1024
0000000000 thru 1111111111

If it was 2 characters with 10 choices that'd be 10^2 = 100
00 thru 99

So ya I guess I was wrong
lol..looks like you posted before I posted...

whew!!..I really thought I was losing it for a minute.

8. No it was just my editing compulsion, when I went back and added the "00 thru 99" part I realized my mistake.

I really thought I was losing it for a minute.
That I can neither confirm nor deny

9. Originally Posted by -=Xploitz=-
Ok,...so....

Why isn't it 26 choices with 10 characters...I.E...

26^10

Using the Permutation function in Excel, if you have a selection of 26 and length of 10, you'd end up with 19,275,223,968,000.00 combinations.

Using your formula, you'd end up with 141,167,095,653,376.00 combinations.

10. Originally Posted by thorin
No it was just my editing compulsion, when I went back and added the "00 thru 99" part I realized my mistake.

That I can neither confirm nor deny
I can confirm I'm losing it....you seen the pics of my laptop I posted? Thats what happens when you make a home-brew Collinear Omni and use a couple of powerful amps.

Or in laymen terms..you mix an idiot and a little quote / unquote "self knowledge" ...and thats the end result. Fried lappy shish-k-bob al la mote`

Originally Posted by streaker69
Using the Permutation function in Excel, if you have a selection of 26 and length of 10, you'd end up with 19275223968000.00 combinations.

Using your formula, you'd end up with 141167095653376.00 combinations.

And thats why I'd never use a brute forcer with any more than 6 characters ATM.
26^6 = 308,915 ,776 possibilities

because ........
26^7 = 8,031,810,176 ..........8 billion possibilities!!!

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