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    Also theres the legallity of what you could be accessing over there line..

    You could be looking at pedophillia or terrorist training manuals on how to make a bomb for example and there ISP will log and record the fact it went over there line.. So you wouldnt get the blame they would.. Imagine waking up to find the FBI or CID smashing down your door seizing your equipment all because someone decided to look up bombs and kiddy porn over your WiFi...

    It's not legal to use there's but proving that you did so is also equally difficult unless they catch you in the act red handed.

    If you live next door and can pick up there signal, they'd probably never even notice..

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    Well...

    Slashdot managed to clear up THAT issue...

    http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/05/23/1551227.shtml


    So some dude in Michigan was charged for using free WiFi provided by a cafe without being a customer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spyder_Snyper View Post
    Well...

    Slashdot managed to clear up THAT issue...

    http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/05/23/1551227.shtml


    So some dude in Michigan was charged for using free WiFi provided by a cafe without being a customer.
    The issue has already been clear, it's just that some people refuse to accept it, and believe that just "checking their email for a few minutes" is somehow acceptable.
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    I think it boils down to knowledge.

    I mean, honestly, how are casual, first-time users supposed to know the difference? I have met people who, in all honesty, thought that when they bought their laptop with a wireless card, they could just turn on the computer and voila, internet.

    They don't know that they need an ISP. They don't know that they need a router or some kind of AP. They don't even know that the wireless they are connected to is their neighbor's and what they are doing is illegal. They just don't KNOW these things.

    While that is FAR from an excuse, to me, it forces a question...

    Whose responsability is it to ensure that the users are aware of these laws, and what they REALLY mean? IMHO, the responsability falls upon the user. But then that means that the users have to go out and educate themselves. And for the most part, that just isn't going to happen...

    IMHO anyways...lol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spyder_Snyper View Post
    IMHO, the responsability falls upon the user.
    There's your answer right there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theprez98 View Post
    There's your answer right there.
    But can you HONESTLY say that it'll ever happen?

    And besides, this case was unique because the dude who got fined was smart enough to piggyback the free wireless, but did not know of the legality. In fact, neither did the cop.

    The legality of wireless is still pretty hazy. There are SO FEW people who actually KNOW the legalities. Even people who SHOULD know (cops, lawyers, other legal related jobs) don't always know.

    So now who needs to do the education? Where are the users supposed to get their info when the people who SHOULD know, don't?

    All I have to say about the charging is that I COMPLETELY disagree with it until there are clear rules and regulations (which as far as I'm aware, don't exist) that dictate what can and cannot be done with free WiFi, as well as clear rules to make the determination between FREE WiFi for everyone, and 'Free' WiFi for customers.

    But meh... Maybe it's just me ranting...lol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spyder_Snyper View Post
    But can you HONESTLY say that it'll ever happen?
    As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter if it will ever happen (it won't). Ignorance is not an excuse for breaking the law. Period.
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    I'm with the prez ignorance is never a excuse. this reminds me of the "I didn't even inhale " Defense

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    Quote Originally Posted by theprez98 View Post
    Ignorance is not an excuse for breaking the law. Period.
    For example:
    The speed limit of a given street is 60km/h. Nowhere is this posted. If you are caught speeding, can you be held at fault?

    Ignorance is never an excuse. But there is a difference between being ignorant, and having no method to find out. This wireless issue, as far as I can tell, falls into that last category.

    Back to my example... You could call the cop station and ask them what the speed limit is. They *SHOULD* have the answer. But if no one at the cop station knows the answer, where are you expected to get it?

    At that point, it isn't ignorance. Ignorance is more than just not knowing, it's not knowing AND not WANTING to know. But if you WANT to know, try to know, but cannot under reasonable circumstance find out, is it still being ignorant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spyder_Snyper View Post
    For example:
    The speed limit of a given street is 60km/h. Nowhere is this posted. If you are caught speeding, can you be held at fault?
    It depends. Some jurisdictions have specific laws mandating the placement and spacing of speed limit signs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Spyder_Snyper View Post
    Back to my example... You could call the cop station and ask them what the speed limit is. They *SHOULD* have the answer. But if no one at the cop station knows the answer, where are you expected to get it?

    At that point, it isn't ignorance. Ignorance is more than just not knowing, it's not knowing AND not WANTING to know. But if you WANT to know, try to know, but cannot under reasonable circumstance find out, is it still being ignorant?
    Police officers, quite obviously, are not lawyers. They have relevant training and classes and such, but are not experts on the law and should not be seen as such.

    If you want to know the law, ask a lawyer.
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