I've found this thread quite amicable. No rudeness that I perceived. A good thread too. What I'm curious about is how easy it might be to extract the 2wire PPPoE authentication password from the device. I believe I may have found the hash value in the device, but I've not spent much time with cracking or hashes as yet. If you go to http://192.168.1.254/mdc , there is a page with a breakdown of devices or adapters. What I think may be the hash is in the PPP device