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    Default Re: International rules on possession of what are deemed to be 'hacking tools'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gitsnik View Post
    Can someone verify the encryption software rules in... france? It's been a while since I spoke with anyone about travelling there, but IIRC having software like Truecrypt, or using ciphers beyond a certain strength, was illegal. I could be left fielding, but it's been on my mind since I first saw this thread.
    afaik, anything beyond 128b is illegal in france for a private use, there is exceptions for the entreprise world, with a list of software and limitations allowed
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    Default Re: International rules on possession of what are deemed to be 'hacking tools'

    Quote Originally Posted by killadaninja View Post
    This may help.

    Sorry Archangel and OP, Archangel I know understand the point you are making, I did not mean the OP was safe to travel where he wanted carefree, one should always check laws of the country you are entering, be it foods materials etc. I was just expressing my opinion (anger?), and forgot to clearly state it was an opinion.

    Well that was exactly it, there doesnt seem to be any clear advice freely available on what is authorized where..

    And the link, although interesting is a five year old one and it would seem likely that situations may have changed.

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    Germany should make Windows illegal. It is after all, the largest carrier of viruses and malware in the world.....

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    Default Re: International rules on possession of what are deemed to be 'hacking tools'

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Germany should make Windows illegal. It is after all, the largest carrier of viruses and malware in the world.....
    About 1, two months ago it was advised by the German government for end-users to switch from Firefox to Internet Explorer, after FF was deemed to contain to many flaws. If I find a link I could post it, here.
    They were among the first in the EU to start penalizing MS for having so many different programs bundled into windows to begin with.

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    Default Re: International rules on possession of what are deemed to be 'hacking tools'

    Quote Originally Posted by shamanvirtuel View Post
    afaik, anything beyond 128b is illegal in france for a private use, there is exceptions for the entreprise world, with a list of software and limitations allowed
    Hum they are new law in France and i think D and http://www.ssi.gouv.fr/archive/fr/re.../d2007-663.pdf
    Change the rules .

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    Default Re: International rules on possession of what are deemed to be 'hacking tools'

    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel-Amael View Post
    About 1, two months ago it was advised by the German government for end-users to switch from Firefox to Internet Explorer, after FF was deemed to contain to many flaws. If I find a link I could post it, here.
    They were among the first in the EU to start penalizing MS for having so many different programs bundled into windows to begin with.
    Yea, I read that too. Just seems weird promoting IE.

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    Default Re: International rules on possession of what are deemed to be 'hacking tools'

    I remember Germany and France both advised their citizens to stop using IE and switch to Firefox when the Operation Aurora thing was first revealed. That happened back in January - have they reversed their opinions since then?

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    Default Re: International rules on possession of what are deemed to be 'hacking tools'

    Quote Originally Posted by whitelisted View Post
    I remember Germany and France both advised their citizens to stop using IE and switch to Firefox when the Operation Aurora thing was first revealed. That happened back in January - have they reversed their opinions since then?
    They're a government, it depends on who's paying them the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanguinarius View Post
    Hum they are new law in France and i think D and http://www.ssi.gouv.fr/archive/fr/re.../d2007-663.pdf
    Change the rules .

    In France crypto for private usage is not limited, but for society, a declaration is necessary.
    I can't read french unfortunately, and legal terms tend to be ambiguous enough that I don't trust google-translate to do it for me, so I'll just have to take your word for it.

    I'm curious when that law was changed though, I spoke with my friend about it last night and he travelled relatively close to 2005 (when we first met during a course) and he'd mentioned the crypto thing at that time.

    Continuing along the lines of this thread - is anyone familiar with import regulations? I know, for example, that in previous years you couldn't export from the US with certain crypto strengths (and other countries too), so what is taking them in going to set you back for.

    Obviously if you get stopped at the border for illegal materials of an adult nature, you get busted for it, but what about software - is it possible to get stopped at the border for possessing a copy of GPG for example - crypto seems to be the main focus of these laws, but the same applies to, say, a copy of Metasploit. I'm also thinking about the author of pyrit asking pureh@te to take his public server offline while he sorted out his anti-hacker-tool laws locally, but I can not for the life of me recall where he lives.
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    Default Re: International rules on possession of what are deemed to be 'hacking tools'

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    They're a government, it depends on who's paying them the most.
    Yeah, but they've got to at least TRY to look like they understand the technologies behind the laws they're writing, and a complete 180 within only a few months really stretches their credibility a little more than I'd have thought most governments were willing to accept.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gitsnik View Post
    Obviously if you get stopped at the border for illegal materials of an adult nature, you get busted for it, but what about software - is it possible to get stopped at the border for possessing a copy of GPG for example - crypto seems to be the main focus of these laws, but the same applies to, say, a copy of Metasploit.
    There's posession to be considered, and there's also failure-to-posess: don't forget that every computer in China is required by law to be installed with Green Dam.
    Last edited by whitelisted; 05-04-2010 at 12:05 AM. Reason: replied to Gitsnik too

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