Ok I understand what your saying, but if Ubuntu comes with easy install tools how would you learn the hard way as creating partitions, and file systems. Me my self personally dived right in to backtrack 3 because I wanted to get familiar with commands, and the tools, and plus I never take the easy route. But I will give Ubuntu a try. I just would like to know how would it show me how to use the command line? Also by backtrack 4 being Debian based does that mean installing on the hard drive will be much easier along with package installation?