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    Brown backs court phone tap use
    Who Watches the Watchers?

    We all know every country taps all the phone lines and denies it. Although now in he UK they are now allowed to use phone tap recordings as evidence in the courts.

    Its really good for counter-terrorism, but as time goes on we are slowly flushing our civil rights down the toilet. UK is now the most monitored country in the world, surveillance seems to be the primary goal this decade. We cant walk down the street without being watched on CCTV, we cant even make a personal call on our telephone without being eavesdropped on.

    Its been going on since the 60's but now that the courts are giving the green light...Im thinking of moving to a dense forest where no one can invade my privacy ffs.

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    Does that include mobiles? (prob does )

    Hello The_Denv good to meet a fellow noren irish

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    Superfluous threads removed. Let's keep vaguely on topic, at least, guys

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    Nice find The_Denv ,
    too much observation will overload just think 20 years from now they will be puttin cams in your walls to check that your not going mental or that your looking after your kids propely. its insane lets build tunnels underground all we need is our computers.
    ( well i would )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Re@lity View Post
    Superfluous threads removed. Let's keep vaguely on topic, at least, guys
    Question:

    What can we actually discuss here?

    I understand taking out off topic items from the thread, and political posts as well for violation of the general rules of the forum, but this thread in general can only spark political commentary on the nature of the government spying on it's citizenry.

    Otherwise the only thing we can talk about here is the technology used to spy or counter spying, right?
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    What can you discuss here? Well, it's a General IT Discussion forum............

    I would say, off hand, that a UK vs US gun laws discussion doesn't quite fit the bill.

    Personal political opinions on the short-comings or achievements of UK or US political systems doesn't quite fit "General IT" either.

    Whilst the OP can be considered a "fine line" between being political or not, I would say that reporting a simple fact that is directly IT related, such as the recent change in phone tap laws, is of general interest, and is directly IT security related.

    What isn't of any informational value is a "my government is better than your government" type of political debate. That type of discussion belongs in a political debate forum, not a General IT forum.......

    ...........this thread in general can only spark political commentary on the nature of the government spying on it's citizenry.........
    Yes, it can, if allowed. This is why we don't want any political commentary.
    The point of the post is still, primarily, to inform of the change in law - not to solicit personal opinions........
    I don't expect many people are happy about the law change. But we are not a political discussion forum.
    It is possible to inform without seeking opinion. We could all sit here all day and play at flame wars over political/religious topics, but it still won't alter the fact that personal political opinions are not directly IT related.

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    I can understand why streaker69 was questioning the discussion of this thread as there was nearly 3 pages of our posts removed. I can also understand that Re@lity is keeping the forum tidy and clean of political differences and also that he is the administrator.

    Sorry if I had posted a sensitive thread, but my intention was to warn everyone of the changes in [technological] law and also to see what the members of the forum thought about it.

    I do know that we started talking about gun laws and it was off-topic, but I think what we were trying to do was compare the freedom of one's government to another. If discussing the freedom differences of 2 countries is breaking the forum rules then I guess I am sorry ... Just can't stand governments spying on its citizens. Soon the UK will be like Half-Life 2 LOL [I forget the word one of our members used to describe that state of law]

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    It's quite simple:
    The rules state clearly, no religious/political/pornographic reference.

    The reason for this is nothing to do with this so-called "censorship" (LOL!)
    It's simply that the forums are here to primarily support BackTrack. Not to provide a platform for every man and his dog to get on their political soapbox
    There are other forums around for that type of thing

    None of the staff here want to spend their time dealing with friction and disputes revolving around members own political or religious opinions, etc.......
    Quite frankly, we've all got more interesting things to do than that!

    I added the General IT Discussion forum to provide a place to discuss IT related topics that are not directly connected with BackTrack, as there appears to be a reasonable demand for such an area.
    Similarly, the Programming section was added for members to post about any interesting programming projects (or similar) that they may wish to share.
    And so on........

    I don't think it is unusual in any way for an IT related forum to not allow political/religious/pornographic reference.
    I would like to think that a vast majority of our members can fully appreciate this, and are perfectly happy to abide by the very minimal and simple forum rules

    I hope this clears things up?

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    Yeh thats it cleared up, I have always followed the rules on this forum. ...

    ...although it was funny to see 3 pages disappear ...all that gun knowledge lost forever lol!

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    And also in the USA...

    Bush warns Congress on wiretaps

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