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trueblu8
08-10-2008, 04:15 PM
We all know that the Alfa is incredible, but there's a new adapter out there now that's supposed to be even better? Here is a link (http://cgi.ebay.com/802-11n-Wireless-USB-Adapter-TWO-antenna-jacks-MIMO_W0QQitemZ110276688808QQihZ001QQcategoryZ45002 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem). Is there anybody that can attest to this, or that has tried them both and done a comparison? I really find it hard to believe that there's anything better than the Alfa, in looks, and/or performance.

DeadWolf
08-11-2008, 05:58 PM
Manufacture page:
http://www.engeniustech.com/datacom/products/details.aspx?id=233

Note: "Windows XP, Vista 32/64 bit and Apple Mac OS X driver support"

No mention of Linux. Chipset? :eek:

Zermelo
08-11-2008, 06:20 PM
Without first knowing if it has a compatible chipset for injection on linux, I wouldn't even compare it to the Alfa AWUS036H.

It does look intriguing though, would be interested in knowing it's chipset. Did a quick google search, couldn't find anything even on the datasheet.

sniper9
08-12-2008, 08:12 AM
It is most likley Atheros, I have the Senao EnGenius EUB-362. USB support for atheros chipsets does not exist and probably never will for Linux. As it stands a reversed driver for OpenBSD exists, I have tested it out and it works with my device and allows monitor mode and kismet works.

DeadWolf
08-12-2008, 11:01 AM
Hell, I've even had problems with the ALFA AWUS036H. These newer cards today seem to be going farther way from injection with evert new card

trueblu8
08-13-2008, 03:57 PM
Sorry guys for the late reply. It does indeed have a Ralink (http://www.solwise.co.uk/engeniustechcouk/11n-usb.html) chipset. Here are some responses that I received from the seller:

"I sat down with the Senao (http://cgi.ebay.com/802-11N-EnGenius-EUB-9701EXT2-Wireless-USB-adapter-SMA_W0QQitemZ110277600245QQihZ001QQcategoryZ45002Q QcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262) device today, it was really nice on BT3. For some reason it picked up more signals than the Alfa (http://cgi.ebay.com/Alfa-500mW-USB-Wireless-Adapter-RP-SMA-Antenna-WiFi-G-B_W0QQitemZ110277988477QQihZ001QQcategoryZ45002QQc mdZViewItem) on the BT3 box, when in Windows we picked up slightly less. When I connected it directly to a USB port it worked just like the RokN (http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-Wireless-N-802-11N-WiFi-Adapter-Card-MIMO-300-Mbps_W0QQitemZ120292251124QQihZ002QQcategoryZ45002 QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262), only detecting a lot more access points. It was plug and play, I could go online with Wireless Assistant and was also able to crack WEP on our test AP using the device and SPoonWep."

"Thanks for your email. It operates at a lesser output power than the Alfa, but does have several advantages. One is that is has dual antenna connectors, one for range and one for diversity (increases signal strength to access points within range). The second is that it is 802.11n compatible, so you will be able to connect at faster speeds and longer ranges when using with an 802.11n router. It also works with standard B and G routers too."

Thanks,
Jason O.
Rokland LLC

M1ck3y
08-15-2008, 12:43 PM
It says the card is 802.11 n. So maybe it has a good Tx power, but as far as I know there is actually no patched drivers working properly with 802.11 n cards. As it's Engenius material, for sure it will be some good stuff, but notice tha they don't say anything about the chipset...

So it may be a nice card, but not for using in monitor mode...

steffi
08-16-2008, 11:32 AM
So is this adapter supported out of the box in Backtrack then? and does it have all the capabilities of the alfa?

M1ck3y
08-16-2008, 11:58 AM
No, it won't. Since it's 802.11 n, and the chipset is unknown.

trueblu8
08-19-2008, 11:20 AM
It has a Ralink chipset. The seller told me it shows up as Ra0, and that it does work "out of the box" in BT3.

M1ck3y
08-21-2008, 12:51 PM
Well, I guess someone will have to try this card by himself to know if the seller is telling the truth, that's interesting anyway...

But to answer the question about the comparison between the SENAO ENGENIUS 802.11N EUB-9701EX2 ansd the AWUS036H, in terms of power the Alfa is the winner I think:

SENAO ENGENIUS 802.11N EUB-9701EX2 Tx Power:
2.412~2.472G(IEEE802.11b) 18 dBm @1~11Mbps
2.412~2.472G(IEEE802.11g) 15 dBm @6Mbps
16 dBm @54Mbps
2.412~2.472G(IEEE802.11N) 15 dBm

The AWUS036H is known to have a Tx power up to 27 dBm (500 mW).

So this Senao card won't be the highpower material you're looking for, but it would be interesting to test it, so that we can know if this chipset is really fully compatible with both mode monitor & injection.

trueblu8
08-21-2008, 02:07 PM
Yes, I guess it just hasn't been out there long enough for people to have tested it. I may have to pick one up and test it myself and then post the results here. Maybe I can ask the seller that if I'm not happy with it, if he'd do a return, or if not, exchange it for an Alfa, lol. I already own several Alfas though, they are great adapters. I think as wireless-n begins to become more popular, and eventually starts to phase out older b, and g routers, this new adapter may be the way to go to obtain those higher speeds. One drawback that I just thought of though is the dual antennas, if your using a long rp-sma cable to extend your antenna this may cause problems as now you would need two with this adapter.